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    El 17/03/11 21:26, Miguel Prado Casanova escribió:
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:EE6A894B-C403-4CB3-96DB-620BDFF30986@taumaturgia.com"
      type="cite">No voy a perder más el tiempo con este tema, solamente
      señalar que como es popularmente conocido, de "existir" una
      conspiración, esta sería la teoría de la conspiración en si misma;
      la que hace perder su tiempo a miles de usuarios (entre otros) que
      en una orgía de estupidez online sin fin, elucubran y comparten
      sus migajas en torno a 5 entradas de la wikipedia y otros tantos
      blogs con un rigor científico equivalente al que un prescolar
      tiene sobre los dinosaurios.
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>de haber una razón que englobe: las revueltas del mundo
        árabe, el terremoto de japón y el real madrid en 4ºs de final de
        la champions leage... esta és la contingencia.</div>
      <div><br>
        <div>
          <div>El 17/03/2011, a las 21:01, Miguel Prado Casanova
            escribió:</div>
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          <blockquote type="cite">
            <div style="word-wrap: break-word;">eso ya lo leí, y bien?
              locos los hay en todos los lados...
              <div>puedes ver conspiración donde quieras: en las ofertas
                del gadis, en que benzemá esté en la alineación titular
                del madrid, en las cortinas del vecino...</div>
              <div>en lugar de conspirafobia yo creo que la gente peca
                de cognofobia</div>
              <div>
                <div>
                  <div>El 17/03/2011, a las 20:56, Durán Vázquez Durán
                    Vázquez escribió:</div>
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                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <p style="margin-bottom: 0cm;"><span
                        style="font-weight: normal;">Pues descuida que
                        ya te hago yo un resumen para que no te canses
                        leyendo. Cito:<br>
                        <br>
                        [...] las armas tectónicas existen, ¿no?
                        ¡Vamos... digo yo que por fuerza tienen que
                        existir! La legislación internacional para
                        regularlas está ahí para quien quiera leerla y
                        habla de ello sin tapujos. ¿O vamos a ponernos
                        en la conspiranoia de que se legisla sobre cosas
                        que no existen? [...]<br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        Ahora, por cierto, se me ocurre otra
                        perspectiva. Y es que haya quienes no niegan que
                        existan tecnologías militares  de armas
                        tectónicas, climáticas, etc., sino que se acepta
                        que se han creado... pero para no usarlas.<br>
                        Eso sería todavía más estúpido que el pensar que
                        no existen aunque se legisle sobre ellas.<br>
                        <br>
                        Aunque, de todos modos, cuando alguien
                        interviene en unos comentarios siempre es
                        recomendable que se lo lea todo antes de opinar.
                        Pero vamos, que si te cansas no, no hace falta.
                      </span> </p>
                    <span style="font-weight: normal;"></span><br>
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                    <br>
                    <div class="gmail_quote">El 17 de marzo de 2011
                      20:40, Miguel Prado Casanova <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:miguel@taumaturgia.com">miguel@taumaturgia.com</a>&gt;</span>
                      escribió:<br>
                      <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt
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                        204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
                        <div style="word-wrap: break-word;">No he leido
                          todos estos mensajes, pero he visto varias
                          cosas insinuando que el terremoto ha sido
                          provocado por las hordas del mal y estoy
                          flipando.
                          <div> que sugerís, que el terremoto es causa
                            de que japón no haya accedido a favorecer
                            los requisitos del sistema financiero de los
                            usa y ahora los iluminati los castigan con
                            eso del HAARP?</div>
                          <div>y galactus que papel juega?</div>
                          <div><br>
                            <div>
                              <div>El 17/03/2011, a las 20:22, Durán
                                Vázquez Durán Vázquez escribió:</div>
                              <div>
                                <div class="h5"><br>
                                  <blockquote type="cite">
                                    <p style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">Y en
                                      fin, la pregunta “<b>¿debemos
                                        atribuir estos dos a un "origen
                                        artificial"?”</b><span
                                        style="font-weight: normal;">,
                                        ni siquiera entiendo a qué se
                                        refiere. Podría contestar
                                        preguntando: ¿acaso alguien ha
                                        insinuado algún dato o argumento
                                        que haga pensar que esos dos
                                        fueron artificiales?</span></p>
                                    <p style="margin-bottom: 0cm;"> <span
                                        style="font-weight: normal;">Porque
                                        aquí la cuestión no es que se
                                        hayan producido dos grandes
                                        terremotos en breve espacio de
                                        tiempo y eso determine su
                                        intencionalidad. No. Aquí la
                                        cuestión es que se producen
                                        demasiados desastres juntos
                                        (sean terremotos o no, sean
                                        grandes o pequeños) y demasiadas
                                        “malas coincidencias”</span></p>
                                    <p style="margin-bottom: 0cm;"><span
                                        style="font-weight: normal;">Por
                                        ejemplo: excepcionalidad de
                                        eventos luctuosos muy próximos
                                        en el tiempo;</span></p>
                                    <p style="margin-bottom: 0cm;"> <span
                                        style="font-weight: normal;">oportunidad
                                        política que posibilitan (el
                                        mandato de la OTAN en Haití
                                        terminaba a principios de 2010
                                        pero gracias al oportuno
                                        desastre se quedaron; la campaña
                                        anti-nuclear estaba en plena
                                        efervescencia y ahora les surge
                                        a los ecoguerreros de
                                        Rockefeller el gran argumento,
                                        un poco como lo de BP en el
                                        Golfo de México que da
                                        argumentos a los apologetas del
                                        cambio climático antropogénico;
                                        lo del Índico en 2005 vino que
                                        ni pintado para posibilitar que
                                        el imperio ampliase su
                                        influencia en una zona donde
                                        tradicionalmente siempre ha
                                        tenido intereses
                                        geoestratégicos, además de que
                                        así dieron entrada a las
                                        semillas de Monsanto en forma de
                                        ayuda humanitaria);</span></p>
                                    <p style="margin-bottom: 0cm;"> <span
                                        style="font-weight: normal;">que
                                        a los productores de hollywood
                                        les dé por crear películas
                                        durante 15 años que al final,
                                        ¡¡¡oh, maravilla!!!, terminan
                                        teniendo una correspondencia en
                                        la realidad;</span></p>
                                    <p style="margin-bottom: 0cm;"> <span
                                        style="font-weight: normal;">que
                                        me estén bombardeando durante
                                        años con chorradas sobre el 2012
                                        y al mismo tiempo, en vísperas
                                        de ese año, ocurran eventos que
                                        parecen “confirmar” esas
                                        chorradas también es una mala
                                        coincidencia más que sospechosa,</span></p>
                                    <p style="margin-bottom: 0cm;"> <span
                                        style="font-weight: normal;">y
                                        así coincidencias hasta la
                                        náusea.</span></p>
                                    <p style="margin-bottom: 0cm;"> <span
                                        style="font-weight: normal;">¿O
                                        qué se supone que habría que
                                        pensar? ¿Que se confirman las
                                        profecías místicas? ¿No sería
                                        más racional y plausible pensar
                                        que la misma oligarquía que
                                        posee y manipula los medios de
                                        producción está en campaña como
                                        en el 14 o en el 39 o en el
                                        2001? Porque es que entre esos
                                        medios de producción se
                                        encuentran desde las agencias de
                                        prensa y relaciones públicas
                                        hasta la industria militar que
                                        crea las armas tectónicas, entre
                                        otras. Porque las armas
                                        tectónicas existen, ¿no?
                                        ¡Vamos... digo yo que por fuerza
                                        tienen que existir! La
                                        legislación internacional para
                                        regularlas está ahí para quien
                                        quiera leerla y habla de ello
                                        sin tapujos. ¿O vamos a ponernos
                                        en la conspiranoia de que se
                                        legisla sobre cosas que no
                                        existen? ¿Y que tal un tratado
                                        internacional para proteger los
                                        derechos de los gamusinos?
                                        ¡Derechos para los gamusinos!</span></p>
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                    <div class="gmail_quote">El 17 de
                                      marzo de 2011 20:20, Durán Vázquez
                                      Durán Vázquez <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:nomenekpos@gmail.com"
                                          target="_blank">nomenekpos@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
                                      escribió:<br>
                                      <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
                                        style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
                                        0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid
                                        rgb(204, 204, 204);
                                        padding-left: 1ex;">
                                        <p style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">[...]
                                          <i>no se puede atribuir a la
                                            opinión de un sólo experto
                                            la razón absoluta. . . </i>[...]<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Totalmente de acuerdo. Por eso
                                          es que conviene hablar de
                                          indicios.<br>
                                          Y cuando se acopian muchos
                                          indicios en un mismo sentido,
                                          es cuando ya se puede empezar
                                          a hablar de duda razonable y/o
                                          sospecha fundada, como en el
                                          caso de las armas tectónicas.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Ahora, una vez nos hemos
                                          cargado el mito sobre que <i>no
                                            hay anormalidad</i> en la
                                          frecuencia de estos hechos
                                          luctuosos (¡como si hiciese
                                          falta probar semejante
                                          obviedad... virgen santa, por
                                          supuesto que es anormal!),</p>
                                        <p style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
                                          pasemos a derribar otro mito
                                          muy de moda estos días, el
                                          mito sobre que los japoneses,
                                          <i>con tanta fama de
                                            previsores como tienen</i>,
                                          se diría que han sido casi que
                                          negligentes al situar tan
                                          aparentemente mal su(s)
                                          central(es) nuclear(es)*. Esto
                                          es lo que se ha insinuado en
                                          algunos medios.</p>
                                        <p style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
                                          Por ejemplo, lo dejaba caer
                                          Buenafuente en entrevista a
                                          Eduard Punset en su programa
                                          del 17 de marzo (la pasada
                                          noche). No será experto...
                                          pero sí que habla y crea
                                          opinión.<br>
                                          Pues bien, incluso un
                                          inexperto en terremotos como
                                          yo puede darse cuenta de que
                                          afirmaciones de este tipo son
                                          una simpleza tan basta y burda
                                          que hasta ofenden.</p>
                                        <p style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
                                          Primero, no sé qué tipo de
                                          absurda ignorancia podría
                                          llevar a alguien a pensar que
                                          se han quedado cortos en
                                          cuanto a sus previsiones. Es
                                          un poco como lo de pretender
                                          hacernos creer que lo de N. Y.
                                          y Washington hace diez años
                                          fue algo inesperado y a
                                          traición... No, no cuela.</p>
                                        <p style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
                                          Y es que sucede con esto lo
                                          mismo que con la seguridad
                                          aeronáutica: los aviones son
                                          sistemas tan repletos de
                                          redundancias que cuando uno se
                                          estrella, lo sensato es pensar
                                          en sabotaje antes que en
                                          accidente. Así visto, está
                                          claro que hay un componente
                                          intencional.</p>
                                        <p style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
                                          Segundo, hay un dato curioso
                                          que tiene que ver con la
                                          sismología: y es que hay quien
                                          dice que en la zona donde se
                                          produjo este terremoto de 9.1
                                          grados Richter no existen
                                          secciones de falla mayores de
                                          300 Km. y por tanto la
                                          experiencia indica que no se
                                          pueden dar terremotos de más
                                          de 7.5 grados, lo cual
                                          significaría que el terremoto
                                          del pasado día 11 era en todo
                                          punto imprevisible. Fue por
                                          tanto un terremoto anormal
                                          (fuera de la norma)**. Estos
                                          datos pueden no ser veraces,
                                          pero quien*** lo afirmaba daba
                                          datos concretos que no deben
                                          ser difíciles de corroborar.
                                          Pero es que además, sabiendo
                                          esto, no solamente vemos cómo
                                          la acusación de negligencia
                                          por falta de previsión es
                                          tendenciosa, sino que a la luz
                                          de lo ocurrido incluso se
                                          podría argumentar lo
                                          contrario, que fueron muy
                                          previsores, puesto que a pesar
                                          de salirse de madre el asunto,
                                          aún la central aguantó más de
                                          lo que cabría esperar.</p>
                                        <p style="margin-bottom: 0cm;"><br>
                                        </p>
                                        <p style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">Resumiendo,
                                          allá se va para la mierda el
                                          mito de que “<i>los japoneses
                                            que se jodan que la culpa es
                                            de ellos</i>”, y además
                                          vemos que también en este
                                          punto nos encontramos con lo
                                          excepcional y lo anormal.</p>
                                        <p style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">Yo
                                          no soy entendido ni estudioso
                                          de leyes, sismología,
                                          geopolítica ni otras muchas
                                          cosas. Pero lo que veo de puta
                                          madre es cuándo dos voces
                                          diferentes me están afirmando
                                          realidades contradictorias
                                          sobre una misma cuestión. En
                                          eso soy un experto, lo mismo
                                          que mucha otra gente.</p>
                                        <p style="margin-bottom: 0cm;"><br>
                                        </p>
                                        <p><br>
                                          <br>
                                          * Porque hay que recordar que
                                          no es sólo una la que tiene
                                          problemas. O sea, que mientras
                                          se bombardea desde los medios
                                          de prensa con información
                                          sobre lo que pasa en una
                                          central, al mismo tiempo
                                          también vemos cómo se están
                                          escondiendo, o cuando menos
                                          evitando, otras informaciones.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          <br>
                                        </p>
                                        <p style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">**
                                          Cuando haya expuesto más
                                          argumentos se verá que esta
                                          “anormalidad” es una constante
                                          que en sí misma constituye un
                                          indicio.</p>
                                        <p><br>
                                          *** En este <a
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            href="http://www.cadenaser.com/milenio3/"
                                            target="_blank">enlace</a>
                                          se puede encontrar el podcast
                                          del programa (de momento, no
                                          soy capaz de encontrar otras
                                          fuentes que afirmen la misma
                                          información) donde lo afirma
                                          Jose Manuel Nieves. Aunque
                                          también entrevistan a Emilio
                                          Carreño, director de la <i><span
                                              style="font-style:
                                              normal;"><span
                                                style="font-weight:
                                                normal;">Red Sísmica
                                                Nacional</span></span></i>,
                                          que afirma precisamente lo
                                          contrario, que sí consideraban
                                          la posibilidad de un terremoto
                                          así en esa zona y se construyó
                                          en consecuencia, pero también
                                          se refiere a lo imprevisible
                                          que es que el maremoto haya
                                          producido más daños que el
                                          terremoto. Y, en cualquier
                                          caso, estamos hablando de un
                                          terremoto de magnitud nunca
                                          vista en Japón, por tanto otra
                                          vez nos encontramos con lo
                                          excepcional e inédito (esto
                                          también sucedió en Chile con
                                          el terremoto del 23 Feb. de
                                          2010, que fue exagerado – 5
                                          min.- incluso en comparación
                                          con los mayores terremotos que
                                          se han dado allí – de 1min. a
                                          minuto y medio-). Síiiiii, ya
                                          séeeee... no se puede atribuir
                                          a la opinión de un sólo
                                          experto la razón absoluta.
                                          Bueno, yo, por lo de pronto,
                                          me limito a señalar indicios
                                          que contradicen la teoría de
                                          la explicación conspirafóbica.
                                          Porque además se da la
                                          circunstancia de que muchas
                                          veces las opiniones tenidas
                                          por excepción son realmente
                                          las mayoritarias, mientras que
                                          por contra la versión oficial
                                          es sostenida solamente por un
                                          puñado de supuestos expertos
                                          que además afirman lo que
                                          afirman porque les pagan por
                                          ello. Supongo que no hace
                                          falta poner ejemplos de esto,
                                          pero para muestra, el botón
                                          que me indicaba Joaquín: <a
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            href="http://www.elpais.com/edigitales/entrevista.html?encuentro=7818"
                                            target="_blank">http://www.elpais.com/edigitales/entrevista.html?encuentro=7818</a>.</p>
                                        <p style="margin-bottom: 0cm;"><br>
                                        </p>
                                        <p align="LEFT">Por cierto, a
                                          modo de detalle curioso,
                                          comentaré que me llamó la
                                          atención que ni por un momento
                                          mencionaron en ese programa de
                                          radio nada sobre teorías de la
                                          conspiración en relación con
                                          armas electromagnéticas ni
                                          nada de eso, y eso a pesar de
                                          que este Iker Jiménez es el
                                          perfecto heredero de toda la
                                          basura (des)informativa que en
                                          su día representó Jiménez del
                                          Oso (lo de “Jiménez” debe ser
                                          una marca de franquicia o
                                          algo). Como se podrá escuchar
                                          en el podcast, a medida que
                                          avanza el programa la señorita
                                          de los dientes interrumpe de
                                          cuando en cuando para
                                          mencionar las noticias que
                                          encuentra en la red referidas
                                          al terremoto: que si ovnis por
                                          aquí, que si Parravicini por
                                          allá... Y este tipo, tan
                                          entendido en lo desconocido,
                                          lo esotérico y lo paranormal,
                                          con esa especie de apariencia
                                          cientificista que intenta
                                          darle a todo lo que hace...
                                          ¡se deja en el tintero el gran
                                          mito conspiranoico de estos
                                          años, cuando ya había
                                          referencias al aarpa contra
                                          Japón en Youtube horas antes
                                          de su programa! ¡Qué burros!
                                          ¡Si esto es lo que le gusta
                                          escuchar a la audiencia:
                                          conspiraciones truculentas!,
                                          ¿o no?</p>
                                        <p align="LEFT"><br>
                                          <br>
                                        </p>
                                        <br>
                                        <br>
                                        <div class="gmail_quote">El 17
                                          de marzo de 2011 15:00, carlos
                                          suarez <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              href="mailto:carlossuarez1966@gmail.com"
                                              target="_blank">carlossuarez1966@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
                                          escribió:
                                          <div>
                                            <div><br>
                                              <blockquote
                                                class="gmail_quote"
                                                style="margin: 0pt 0pt
                                                0pt 0.8ex; border-left:
                                                1px solid rgb(204, 204,
                                                204); padding-left:
                                                1ex;"> Para empezar, no
                                                se puede atribuir a la
                                                opinión de un sólo
                                                experto la razón
                                                absoluta. . . <br>
                                                <br>
                                                Aún así Barrientos dice
                                                claramente:
                                                <div><br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  “ve un poco refrendada
                                                  la hipótesis de los<b>
                                                    agrupamientos de
                                                    megaterremotos que
                                                    se vio en los años
                                                    60</b>, cuando
                                                  sucedieron <u><b>los
                                                      dos más grandes de
                                                      la historia de la
                                                      humanidad</b></u>:
                                                  Valdivia y Alaska,
                                                  ocurridos en un lapso
                                                  de <b>4 años</b>”. .
                                                  . . <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                </div>
                                                Además. . . revisando
                                                los registros
                                                historicos:<br>
                                                <br>
                                                <a
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:Terremotos_del_siglo_XX"
                                                  target="_blank">http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:Terremotos_del_siglo_XX</a><br>
                                                <br>
                                                Entre el año 1994 y 1995
                                                se produjeros 5 de
                                                "excepcional magnitud"
                                                tres de ellos en Chile.
                                                . . . . <br>
                                                <br>
                                                Entre los años 60 y 66
                                                también se otros
                                                produjeron 5 de
                                                "excepcional magnitud".
                                                . . entre los cuales
                                                estan <b>los dos más
                                                  grandes de la historia
                                                  de la humanidad</b>. .
                                                . . .  . . <b>¿debemos
                                                  atribuir estos dos a
                                                  un "origen
                                                  artificial"?.</b> . .
                                                . .<br>
                                                <br>
                                                <font
                                                  style="font-family:
                                                  arial
                                                  narrow,sans-serif;"
                                                  size="1"><a
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://carlossuarez1966.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">carlossuarez1966.wordpress.com</a></font>
                                                <div style="padding:
                                                  0px; margin-left: 0px;
                                                  margin-top: 0px;
                                                  overflow: hidden;
                                                  word-wrap: break-word;
                                                  color: black;
                                                  font-size: 10px;
                                                  text-align: left;
                                                  line-height: 130%;"> </div>
                                                <br>
                                                <br>
                                                <br>
                                                <div class="gmail_quote">El
                                                  17 de marzo de 2011
                                                  14:47, Durán Vázquez
                                                  Durán Vázquez <span
                                                    dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nomenekpos@gmail.com" target="_blank">nomenekpos@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
                                                  escribió:
                                                  <div>
                                                    <div> </div>
                                                    <div><br>
                                                      <blockquote
                                                        class="gmail_quote"
                                                        style="margin:
                                                        0pt 0pt 0pt
                                                        0.8ex;
                                                        border-left: 1px
                                                        solid rgb(204,
                                                        204, 204);
                                                        padding-left:
                                                        1ex;">
                                                        <div>Entonces,
                                                          creo que todas
                                                          y todos hemos
                                                          visto ya cómo
                                                          cae un mito
                                                          acerca de los
                                                          terremotos
                                                          recientes (tú,
                                                          Carlos,
                                                          estarás
                                                          también de
                                                          acuerdo en
                                                          ello) y es el
                                                          mito sobre que
                                                          "<i>no se
                                                          producen más
                                                          terremotos
                                                          excepcionales
                                                          de lo
                                                          habitual, sino
                                                          que ahora
                                                          tenemos
                                                          información
                                                          más abundante</i>",
                                                          una chorrada
                                                          que he
                                                          escuchado
                                                          durante el
                                                          último año, y
                                                          muy a menudo
                                                          durante toda
                                                          esta semana en
                                                          la televisión,
                                                          prensa y
                                                          radio.<br>
                                                          No es que el
                                                          experto
                                                          Barrientos,
                                                          por ser
                                                          experto, tenga
                                                          necesariamente
                                                          que estar en
                                                          lo cierto.
                                                          Pero su
                                                          testimonio sí
                                                          que sirve, por
                                                          lo de pronto,
                                                          como indicio
                                                          para
                                                          argumentar en
                                                          contra de ese
                                                          mito.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                        </div>
                                                        (Sugiero a lxs
                                                        usuarixs de
                                                        abrouxados
                                                        enviar sus
                                                        mensaje y
                                                        respuestas sólo
                                                        a la dirección
                                                        de abrouxados,
                                                        sin incluir CC o
                                                        CCO, porque si
                                                        no pueden
                                                        ocurrir
                                                        confusiones. Por
                                                        ejemplo, si me
                                                        llega un mensaje
                                                        desde abrouxados
                                                        que también se
                                                        me ha enviado a
                                                        mi cuenta de
                                                        correo como
                                                        Copia de Carbón
                                                        Oculta, al darle
                                                        a responder mi
                                                        respuesta sale
                                                        sólo al correo
                                                        de la persona
                                                        que envió el
                                                        mensaje y no a
                                                        abrouxados, cuya
                                                        dirección yo
                                                        tendría que
                                                        agregar).<br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote">El
                                                          17 de marzo de
                                                          2011 14:42,
                                                          Durán Vázquez
                                                          Durán Vázquez
                                                          <span
                                                          dir="ltr">&lt;<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nomenekpos@gmail.com"
                                                          target="_blank">nomenekpos@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
                                                          escribió:
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          class="gmail_quote"
                                                          style="margin:
                                                          0pt 0pt 0pt
                                                          0.8ex;
                                                          border-left:
                                                          1px solid
                                                          rgb(204, 204,
                                                          204);
                                                          padding-left:
                                                          1ex;"> <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote">El
                                                          17 de marzo de
                                                          2011 13:57,
                                                          Durán Vázquez
                                                          Durán Vázquez
                                                          <span
                                                          dir="ltr">&lt;<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nomenekpos@gmail.com"
                                                          target="_blank">nomenekpos@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
                                                          escribió:
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          class="gmail_quote"
                                                          style="margin:
                                                          0pt 0pt 0pt
                                                          0.8ex;
                                                          border-left:
                                                          1px solid
                                                          rgb(204, 204,
                                                          204);
                                                          padding-left:
                                                          1ex;"> <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.prensa-latina.cu/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=271552&amp;Itemid=1"
target="_blank">http://www.prensa-latina.cu/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=271552&amp;Itemid=1</a><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          "[...] Sergio
                                                          Barrientos
                                                          alertó hoy
                                                          aquí sobre la
                                                          concentración
                                                          de terremotos
                                                          de excepcional
                                                          magnitud en
                                                          tan corto
                                                          período de
                                                          tiempo, lo que
                                                          calificó de
                                                          inusual y
                                                          requerido de
                                                          una <b>nueva
                                                          línea de
                                                          estudios</b>.[...]"<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          "[...] Comentó
                                                          que
                                                          movimientos
                                                          telúricos de
                                                          esa naturaleza
                                                          deberían tener
                                                          lugar cada 25
                                                          o 30 años y no
                                                          concentrados
                                                          en poco más de
                                                          seis o siete
                                                          años.[...]"<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          [...]
                                                          Consideró
                                                          finalmente que
                                                          la inesperada
                                                          secuencia de
                                                          temblores dará
                                                          necesariamente
                                                          origen a una <b>nueva
                                                          línea de
                                                          estudios</b>
                                                          en materia
                                                          sísmica.[...]
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          claro,
                                                          claro... nueva
                                                          línea,
                                                          novedad. Ya le
                                                          digo yo a
                                                          Barrientos
                                                          cómo se va a
                                                          llamar su
                                                          nueva línea:
                                                          "terremotos de
                                                          origen
                                                          artificial"<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote">El
                                                          17 de marzo de
                                                          2011 09:32,
                                                          carlos suarez
                                                          <span
                                                          dir="ltr">&lt;<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:carlossuarez1966@gmail.com"
                                                          target="_blank">carlossuarez1966@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
                                                          escribió:
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          class="gmail_quote"
                                                          style="margin:
                                                          0pt 0pt 0pt
                                                          0.8ex;
                                                          border-left:
                                                          1px solid
                                                          rgb(204, 204,
                                                          204);
                                                          padding-left:
                                                          1ex;"> <font
                                                          style="font-family:
                                                          arial
                                                          narrow,sans-serif;"
                                                          size="1"><br>
                                                          </font>“ve un
                                                          poco
                                                          refrendada la
                                                          hipótesis de
                                                          los<b>
                                                          agrupamientos
                                                          de
                                                          megaterremotos
                                                          que se vio en
                                                          los años 60</b>,
                                                          cuando
                                                          sucedieron <b>los
                                                          dos más
                                                          grandes de la
                                                          historia de la
                                                          humanidad</b>:
                                                          Valdivia y
                                                          Alaska,
                                                          ocurridos en
                                                          un lapso de 4
                                                          años”. . . . 
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          “Se necesita
                                                          un período de
                                                          observación
                                                          muchísimo más
                                                          largo para
                                                          sacar
                                                          conclusiones.
                                                          Sería
                                                          temerario si
                                                          se hace eso en
                                                          un período
                                                          breve”<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          “Chile es país
                                                          sísmico, lo ha
                                                          sido durante
                                                          mil millones
                                                          de años y
                                                          seguirá
                                                          siéndolo. Es
                                                          una condición
                                                          a la cual nos
                                                          tenemos que
                                                          adaptar. Por
                                                          lo tanto, el
                                                          hecho de que
                                                          haya o no
                                                          terremotos en
                                                          otra parte del
                                                          mundo es algo
                                                          que no tiene
                                                          relación”.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <font
                                                          style="font-family:
                                                          arial
                                                          narrow,sans-serif;"
                                                          size="1"><a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://carlossuarez1966.wordpress.com" target="_blank">carlossuarez1966.wordpress.com</a><br>
                                                          </font>
                                                          <div
                                                          style="padding:
                                                          0px;
                                                          margin-left:
                                                          0px;
                                                          margin-top:
                                                          0px; overflow:
                                                          hidden;
                                                          word-wrap:
                                                          break-word;
                                                          color: black;
                                                          font-size:
                                                          10px;
                                                          text-align:
                                                          left;
                                                          line-height:
                                                          130%;"> </div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote">El
                                                          17 de marzo de
                                                          2011 01:32,
                                                          Durán Vázquez
                                                          Durán Vázquez
                                                          <span
                                                          dir="ltr">&lt;<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nomenekpos@gmail.com"
                                                          target="_blank">nomenekpos@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
                                                          escribió:
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          class="gmail_quote"
                                                          style="margin:
                                                          0pt 0pt 0pt
                                                          0.8ex;
                                                          border-left:
                                                          1px solid
                                                          rgb(204, 204,
                                                          204);
                                                          padding-left:
                                                          1ex;"> <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.vieneya.com/2011/03/director-de-sismologia-dice-que-no-es.html"
target="_blank">http://www.vieneya.com/2011/03/director-de-sismologia-dice-que-no-es.html</a><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          vaya
                                                          panorama...<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          ¿este hombre
                                                          no se da
                                                          cuenta de la
                                                          cantidad de
                                                          chascarrillos
                                                          a los que va a
                                                          dar pábulo?<br>
                                                          Se va a cargar
                                                          todas las
                                                          teorías de la
                                                          explicación
                                                          conspirafóbica
                                                          tan duramente
                                                          trabajadas.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          __________<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote">El
                                                          15 de marzo de
                                                          2011 23:31,
                                                          Durán Vázquez
                                                          Durán Vázquez
                                                          <span
                                                          dir="ltr">&lt;<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nomenekpos@gmail.com"
                                                          target="_blank">nomenekpos@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
                                                          escribió:<br>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          class="gmail_quote"
                                                          style="margin:
                                                          0pt 0pt 0pt
                                                          0.8ex;
                                                          border-left:
                                                          1px solid
                                                          rgb(204, 204,
                                                          204);
                                                          padding-left:
                                                          1ex;"> Vamos a
                                                          ver. Está
                                                          claro que se
                                                          va a producir
                                                          un fall -out,
                                                          y está claro
                                                          desde el
                                                          primerísimo
                                                          momento en que
                                                          se difundió la
                                                          noticia sobre
                                                          una alarma
                                                          nuclear (es
                                                          decir, desde
                                                          el día del
                                                          ataque mismo).<br>
                                                          Es sólo
                                                          cuestión de
                                                          tiempo, por
                                                          más que luego
                                                          lo acallen.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                           Lo que se
                                                          dirime ahora
                                                          no es si va a
                                                          haber matanza
                                                          o no. La
                                                          matanza para
                                                          el oriente
                                                          está
                                                          garantizada.
                                                          Lo que se
                                                          dirime es si
                                                          va a pasar a
                                                          la conciencia
                                                          colectiva como
                                                          una desgracia
                                                          "inevitable"
                                                          (o todavía
                                                          peor: una
                                                          desgracia
                                                          culpa de lxs
                                                          partidarixs de
                                                          la energía
                                                          nuclear) o si
                                                          va a pasar
                                                          como un acto
                                                          de guerra. Ahí
                                                          es donde nos
                                                          la jugamos,
                                                          porque si no
                                                          se destapa
                                                          ahora el
                                                          pastel, luego
                                                          va a volver a
                                                          ocurrir en
                                                          otra parte, y
                                                          otra vez y
                                                          otra vez...
                                                          como lleva
                                                          ocurriendo
                                                          desde el año
                                                          pasado.<br>
                                                          ___________<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
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                                                          class="gmail_quote">El
                                                          15 de marzo de
                                                          2011 20:04,
                                                          Joaquín Lana <span
                                                          dir="ltr">&lt;<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:joaquinlana@gmail.com"
                                                          target="_blank">joaquinlana@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
                                                          escribió:<br>
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                                                          <p>• <b>No 1</b>:
                                                          Cooling
                                                          failure,
                                                          partial
                                                          melting of
                                                          core, vapor
                                                          vented,
                                                          hydrogen
                                                          explosion,
                                                          seawater
                                                          pumped in.</p>
                                                          <p>• <b>No 2</b>:
                                                          Cooling
                                                          failure,
                                                          seawater
                                                          pumped in,
                                                          fuel rods
                                                          fully exposed
                                                          temporarily,
                                                          vapor vented,
                                                          damage to
                                                          containment
                                                          system,
                                                          potential
                                                          meltdown
                                                          feared.</p>
                                                          <p>• <b>No 3</b>:
                                                          Cooling
                                                          failure,
                                                          partial
                                                          melting of
                                                          core feared,
                                                          vapor vented,
                                                          seawater
                                                          pumped in,
                                                          hydrogen
                                                          explosion,
                                                          high-level
                                                          radiation
                                                          measured
                                                          nearby.</p>
                                                          <p>• <b>No 4</b>:
                                                          Under
                                                          maintenance
                                                          when quake
                                                          struck, fire
                                                          caused
                                                          possibly by
                                                          hydrogen
                                                          explosion at
                                                          pool holding
                                                          spent fuel
                                                          rods, pool
                                                          water level
                                                          feared
                                                          receding.</p>
                                                          <p>• <b>No 5</b>:
                                                          Under
                                                          maintenance
                                                          when quake
                                                          struck,
                                                          temperature
                                                          slightly
                                                          rising at
                                                          spent fuel
                                                          pool.</p>
                                                          <p>• <b>No 6</b>
                                                          - Under
                                                          maintenance
                                                          when quake
                                                          struck,
                                                          temperature
                                                          slightly
                                                          rising at
                                                          spent fuel
                                                          pool.</p>
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                                                          </div>
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                                                          -- <br>
                                                          Durán
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                                                          Durán
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href="http://cronicaelectronica.org/?p=duranvazquez" target="_blank">http://cronicaelectronica.org/?p=duranvazquez</a><br>
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                                                        <br>
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                                                        mailing list<br>
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                                                          target="_blank">http://list.xedh.org/mailman/listinfo/xedh.org.abrouxados</a><br>
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                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <div><br>
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                                            Durán Vázquez____________<br>
                                            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              href="http://cronicaelectronica.org/?p=duranvazquez"
                                              target="_blank">http://cronicaelectronica.org/?p=duranvazquez</a><br>
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                                        </div>
                                      </blockquote>
                                    </div>
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                                    <br>
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                                    Durán Vázquez____________<br>
                                    <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="http://cronicaelectronica.org/?p=duranvazquez"
                                      target="_blank">http://cronicaelectronica.org/?p=duranvazquez</a><br>
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                                    <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="http://list.xedh.org/mailman/listinfo/xedh.org.abrouxados"
                                      target="_blank">http://list.xedh.org/mailman/listinfo/xedh.org.abrouxados</a><br>
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                            <br>
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                              <div style="word-wrap: break-word;"><span
                                  style="border-collapse: separate;
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                                    <div>Abrazos</div>
                                    <div>Miguel Prado</div>
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                        class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:
                        separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                        Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                        font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal;
                        letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal;
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                        none; white-space: normal; widows: 2;
                        word-spacing: 0px;">
                        <div style="word-wrap: break-word;">
                          <div>Abrazos</div>
                          <div>Miguel Prado</div>
                          <div> </div>
                          <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="http://www.taumaturgia.com/miguelprado">http://www.taumaturgia.com/miguelprado</a></div>
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                class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:
                separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica;
                font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant:
                normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal;
                line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px;
                text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2;
                word-spacing: 0px;">
                <div style="word-wrap: break-word;">
                  <div>Abrazos</div>
                  <div>Miguel Prado</div>
                  <div> </div>
                  <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="http://www.taumaturgia.com/miguelprado">http://www.taumaturgia.com/miguelprado</a></div>
                  <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
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    A ver...esto arranca de que se me ocurrió mandar uno de los
    "asépticos" informes de TEPCO<br>
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp-com/release/index-e.html">http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp-com/release/index-e.html</a><br>
    Que son una pandilla de caraduras.<br>
    Como decía el ex-militar ex-soviético que se ocupó de dirigir el
    asunto de "liquidar" Chernobyl...es algo demasiado grave como para
    dejarlo en manos de una empresa.<br>
    <br>
    Respecto al "rigor científico"...bueno, es el "rigor científico" el
    culpable de cosas como las de Fukushima.<br>
    <br>
    La "señora" Razón es la heredera de la "señora" Fe. <br>
    <br>
    Como dice la canción: "More than this is what we are"<br>
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